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Pony
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Probably headed to jail

I'm new to this forum and am looking at an undetermined amount of jail time. I originally was searching for pen pals because all (of the few) of my friends want nothing to do with me. I am normally a very quiet person, had never been in trouble until a set up; not even a speeding ticket! Although this site is for prisons; I thought I would see if the advice is the same for jails? Is a quiet, polite, country girl bound to have problems inside? I have evey intentionn of just staying completely to myself, if allowed. And at this point in the legal game; I don't want to talk to anyone because they've all lied to me including my lawyer. So what's my best approach; besides hoping for some miracle that the judge will see what happened and not give any jail timme?

Edited by: Pony on Dec 24 2012 - 1:08am Reason: Imported from old database.
katieengland
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have no advice on the prison in the USA.. but wanted to wish you luck from an English gal..friends come and go and only the best stay in touch,and true...but i hope you get your wish to stay outta prison..take care thinking of you...kate:hug:

showyourpride
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IMHO, jails and prisons have the same problems-at least thats what my pps tell me.
I wish you much luck. Think of the positive and if you are givien time as least you know this site is here and you can post an ad and get a pp.

Rolando
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Pony you are clearly talking about a misdemeanor case when you say
you face undetermined amount of jail time. Jails and prisons are not the
same animal, regardless of what you read here or anywhere else.

Because you do not (and I respect that) say the charges that will lead you to jail, or if there are several charges, the undetermined jail time
you mention is not so..You see, misdemeanors in general carry by law
certain amount of jail time. So if you can look up the statute under the misdemeanor you violated, you can see that a judge can only give you
so much time in jail. Like I said, if there is only one charge.
As to staying out of trouble, hey once you get to jail, you can even get
a job as a trusty -- sweeping the kitchen or feeding inmates. You name
it, jail is a piece of cake Pony have no fear.
to be sentenced under

Pony
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Yes, four of the fleonies were reduces to misdemeanors. I was actually quite suprised to see that all it took to actually drop the charges down was a pen and the Comm. Attny marked out the word felony and all parties involved initialed it! I know there is a max amount of time I can get, but I certainly hope it doesn't come anywhere near that. But if it does; atleast I know the police should be in the cell next to me because I have proof they did the same thing they charged me with!

UKGAL
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if your going to be doing your own time, is it a good idea that you have just sent out a letter to a penpal, will you be able to still write them?

showyourpride
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Pony you are clearly talking about a misdemeanor case when you say
you face undetermined amount of jail time. Jails and prisons are not the
same animal, regardless of what you read here or anywhere else.

Because you do not (and I respect that) say the charges that will lead you to jail, or if there are several charges, the undetermined jail time
you mention is not so..You see, misdemeanors in general carry by law
certain amount of jail time. So if you can look up the statute under the misdemeanor you violated, you can see that a judge can only give you
so much time in jail. Like I said, if there is only one charge.
As to staying out of trouble, hey once you get to jail, you can even get
a job as a trusty -- sweeping the kitchen or feeding inmates. You name
it, jail is a piece of cake Pony have no fear.
to be sentenced under

There are two new shows on Jail. They follow the inmate being charged, booked, etc. They are both very graphic and show jail as a dangerous place. I respectfully disagree with Rolando's quote "Jail is just a piece of cake". I have 2 pp's that would agree with me as well. They put 6 or more people in a cell. I have heard of fights, male on male rape, etc. Sounds like prison to me.
:swordfight:

Pony
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I'm thinking that my folks will be able to put the letter into another envelope and send to me. and then I can reply back and they can resend back to my pp. Or atleast read the letter to me and I can send them the reply to mail out for me. On paper, I guess I am looking at years in jail (which I guess I would actually be sent to ta prison), but in one of the deals the Comm Attny offered; the total time was 6 month in jail. And from what I understand; I would only do half of that since it is misdemeanors. I also figured I could have some cards prewritten to be mailed out at certain intervals so that my pp would atleast get something in the mail.

Pony
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Since I am typically a loner and prefer to be by myself; is it possible to stay "to myself" in jail? Or do they make you get out of your cell and participate in stuff?

tayla
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I guess people who have been in prison/jail are the real persons who could let Pony know about what it's like beeing in there.
I just could tell about the stuff I have heard of but not sure if that is true.
So sorry Pony can't really help.:comfort_:

UKGAL
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Since I am typically a loner and prefer to be by myself; is it possible to stay "to myself" in jail? Or do they make you get out of your cell and participate in stuff?

you might get given a job or something, i wouldnt stay in your cell you might start to get depressed, plus also my thinking is, if you stick to yourself and stay in your cell you might set yourself up to be bullied, i dont have a clue tho im just guessing,

smiley
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My friend tells me many stay in their cell, do not venture out to yard and will not even go down to shower with the rest of the men preferring the safety of their cell and having bird baths. Coming out of their cell when most are at yard. It was also shared with me, no matter who you are inside their will be one person you can relate to and talk to. Every one has someone; even what others consider the lowest of the lowest inside will find another who is treated as they are and will form a common bond, if for nothing else but the treatment they receive at the hands of others prisoners.
I hope you do not seclude yourself away because then you are often viewed as being susceptible and an easy target, but learn how to cope amongst others and find someone you can relate too and trust.

ASE
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Rolando is right jail and prison are two different things . Jail holds those await trial or have been bench warranted from prison and those waiting to catch chain to prison along with in increasingly less jurisdictions those sentenced to jail . It is very expensive and there is not enough space probation is often the likely out come of a serious misdemeanor a fine in others . Both prison and jail are places full of trouble

Each one is set up differently some places do not l mix sentenced offenders with detains unable to make bail / bond and offenders from prison who have been bench warranted to that jurisdiction . For security reasons .

If you are a pre trial detainee mean you have not been convicted you can be housed with all kinds of people from the repeat drunk driver kid caught with pot to a person who has raped and killed ! \often Child molesters called ,skinners chi mos Chester among other things Dirty cops and others in law enforcement are kept away from every one in Protective Custody aka PC ( Catching Out in prison terms ) because they will be assaulted if not killed . DO not associate with them . learn to call them the appropriate prison name .

Do not become friendly with do guards . I call them bosses because I did time in TX they are called They are called other things also such as 'the law” pigs and things cannot post each and every well deserved I should add . Bosses are always to be seen as up to no good and assumed to be dirty even if they are not keep interaction with them too a minimal and only when needed

In jail or prison never talk about you legal problems simply say I do not talk about legal things . or I don't want to talk about it . Be very vague about your life where you live work etc your family . There is always some one who c will find a way to y use this against you . In jail or prison no one is your friend .they are acquaintances. Never to be trusted . Believe me if they can get time off their sentence any one will talk regardless of what any one says any where .

You should not spend all your time in a cell or cubicle though you can spend a lot of it in your cell or cubicle usually you have to keep a cell door open . Learn to watch who sits where at chow or in the day room often by race and ethnicity at least in a make prison / jail . watch who is associated with who . Usually Solos those not in a gang or into the drama will have their own place and you will want to be seen as a solo not a gang member called STGs also a term originally used by bosses and rank now come to mean any one in a gang or other threat to security such as a known escape risk
To avoid boredom take classes or some sort of “rehabilitation program”

Yes it is possible to keep to your self . and “socialize” as little as possible it is not always pleasant but it can be better than the alternative . Read a lot write home and other friends in the freeworld .
Oh do not attempt to have a third party send mail ota prisn that is a felony in every state . It will get youa lot of time as well as every one else involved .
Often you can get a small radio with head phones get one ASAP as well as a “hot pot “ if allowed . A hot pot is a like a coffee warmer that will not boil unless you override the circuits not recommended . Have some one deposit around 150 as soon as you know how to do it . Commissary is a way to make time a little easier and get things not issued to you by the state or county .

You will probably be interviewed for classification. Things not to mention any psychiatric / psychological problems if any . Never say you feel suicidal you will be put on suicide watch often with minimal clothing if any . Do not disclose financial assets if any . Do not say you even know of another offender in any state or the BOP .Be as vague as possible . Remember no one is your friend . Bosses and rank are never ever your friends under any circumstances . If something happens a fight for example say I was not looking did not see hear etc or I was reading in my cell or cubicle etc . never ever get into gambling or other illegal activities do not accept anything from any one there is always a price . Just say no not interested .

Keep to yourself be vague about who you are and your life mind your own business, stay out of debt avoid bosses and rank and you will be OK . Read a lot ! If possible call home a few times a week OH yeah write home friends in the free world and family a lot

While I would find jail in general to be a cake walk others who have not done prison time will not . .

My guess is you probably will get a suspended sentence and or probation .

ASE
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Should Add you are not made to get out of your cell or cubicle unless it is time to fall out for work or to have your cell shaken down (searched ) and a few other reasons depending on how that places is run IE Chow . . Though if you spend all your time ion your cell psych will come and interview you and maybe move you to a psych cell not what you want . They usually have cameras on you 24 /7and you are locked in like seg much of the time until they think you are "stable" then you go to a psych wing pod dorm or what ever it is they call it .

Rolando
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ASE`s truisms about jails and prisons are all on point. I agree and at the same time am amused at how long it has been since I have been in jail, and wonder if I could survive under my friends advise. I know exactly where he is coming from, and I agree.

But seriously though. Pony is a scared lady, that I can attest to from reading her post.One thing stands out in her case for me. She writes that a 6 months sentence is on the
table for her guilty plea. There is no other way I can see such an offer after felonies have been changed into misdemeanors. She writes that her lawyer lied to her.

From my stand point of view. “I” would fire the bum from my case. Anyone can fire and dismiss a lawyer from a case, whether retained, or court appointed.

Here however, a lady (pony) has to consider whether it is worth the trouble of firing the lawyer. Why? Because felony cases were dismissed and misdemeanors were charged
instead. A prosecutor can always re-file the felonies if made angry, so this is one thing I would consider.

However, if my lawyer lied to me, and I knew it, I would gladly roll the dice and take my chances with a new lawyer. The judge will have to accept your request for a change
of lawyers..After re-reading her post, I have to assume that if Pony had the mental capacity to get involved in felonies that were changed to misdemeanors, than I would have to assume that jail time in this case is a piece of cake for her, because to me jail is just an inconvenience to anyone near a case like this one – not punishment.

I have already been made aware that my comment was not agree to, I write as a man. I would actually be knocking in the jail house door asking to let me in, if felonies had
been dismissed in my case in exchange for jail time. If that is no other solution Pony, get if out of your system, and out of you life.. You will be O.K.

Good luck

ASE
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Another thing is there are lots of reasons felonies get reduced to misdemeanors . It is very possible that her attorney said OK lets go to trial knowing that he /she had something to use in court the prosecutor then says OK I'll drop the felonies to misdemeanors in return you plea guilty and do six months . There is often a lot of back and forth between the prosecution and defense . Criminal proceedings are not like law and Order or CSI .

Now that can be anything from a suspended sentence mean you have to stay out of trouble for six months but are still considered "in jail " or deferred adjudication to six months in jail Probation is also still l being "in jail " you have conditions you have to meet and probably weekly drug tests . You could be put on a GPS monitor and probation .a increasingly popular alternative with many states for low level felonies (yes there is felony probation) and serious misdemeanors .

I agree Pony is a sacred lady . Jail is not fun it also is not prison . Most people who are doing jail time are not in there for some serious thing and usually just want to get out . It is most dangerous if you are being held pre trial where can be be housed with just about any one but those accused of sex crimes , cops or other law enforment who now are facing charges .

Those actually doing jail time are usually housed in a separate area and do l kinds of jobs.

I too would say fine I'll do six months 3 in 3 out in your little county jail no big deal. Then one look at where I did time and they will know why .

Maybe Pony can find a few people here to write her if she does go to jail for six months or 3 months .

With out knowing anything about her case what state she is now in legal trouble and charges it is very hard to say what can go on .

I agree I would be careful abut changing attorneys at this stage . Once a Plea deal has been tendered you do not want to make the prescutoer er prosecutor mad . They can refile the felonies unless there is a reason they cannot .

Best of luck ask your attorney all the possible outcomes and see if probation or "house arrest " is not possible .
If you have to do jail time see above advice .
Also make arrangements for things you are responsible for before going to jail .

Pony
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If I have plead guilty and am out right now awaiting sentence; does that mean they can still go back and change the misdemeanors back to felonies? I think they dropped the felonies down because they didn't want the hassel of going to trial and my stuff against them getting out. I just didn't want felony on my record; which is spotless other than this stuff.

Pony
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Oh, and yes, pretty scared! I did spend one day in jail waiting to get out on bail. Was put in a cell with some girl comming off of drugs.

Rolando
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Pony at first glance at your post I got the impression that
you were out on bail(or other form of release from custody)
pending further proceeding in your case. Thank you for
clearing this up for me.

If you are out on bail, I have to assume you retained an
attorney, right? This of course has no bearing on the
question you asked. You asked if the felonies can be or
could they be re-instated(re-filed) even if you are out on
bail? To answer you question: Yes.

A prosecutor has unlimited leeway in handling cases, and
if he chose to drop those felonies probably has nothing to
do with you arguing whatever you say will embarrass the
police. The prosecutor takes into consideration for dropping
felonies things such as:

1.)...severity of the crime, did you kill, hurt or
mained someone.
2.)...your criminal background, if ever you were
convicted before, how many times ect,ect.
3.)...first and foremost, safety to the people of
the community where the crime occurred.

So there are several issues taken into consideration for a
prosecutor to reduce a charge from felony to misdemeanor.
I would guess that he does not see you as a threat to anyone in the future, and is giving you a break.

Plain and simple Pony...Just do not make him think any
different by making him reconsider his offer.

P.S. Pony if I were in your situation I too would have been
terrified with even (1 day) in jail. But let me repeat what
I said earlier. This time with more weigh because I know
you are now at home waiting sentence.

When you are actually sentenced, regardless of the outcome, you will be taken to a place where those in the
same situation as you are people charged with petty stuff,
like shoplifting for example..There will be no dangerous
people who will get in your face at no time.

I can almost guarantee you that you will be fine. If you
need further information I am positively sure you will be
able to find your answers here, just ask.

Again Good Luck

ASE
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Did you already plea guilty and sign a plea agreement? Did a judge accept your guilty plea ? If that is the case it is very difficult to refile . That does not mean it cannot be done even if itnot as easy once every one agrees to a plea .

Rolando is right if you do have to go to jail . You will go to a place with people who are in situation similar to yours . They got caught doing petty things and were sent to jail . They just want to do their time and get out It is very unlikely if you follow the given advice you will have any problem .Unless you are mixed in with those awaiting or waiting to catch chain r to prison . There can be a few problems then .That is very unlikely unless you are in some remote part of Wyoming or some place like that where theg county lock up is very small. Inmates and detainees are usually not mixed niether are those bench warranted from prison for what ever reason and usualy those guys avoid trouble because they usually are appealing something . Unless you happen to be Bobby Fratta A TX DR prisoner , and try to get nude photos into Harris County jail Sorry could not resit .

You now have time to get ready to go to jail . you should make arrangements with some one you trust to pay bills , send you store (commissary ) . be a emergency contact and take care of any pets or children if you have them .

You should try to have at least 150 - 200 in your account so you can get a few items such as a hot pot and radio you will "need" these items If you are allowed to buy sneakers do that they are much more comfortable than state issue brogans very uncomfortabel . You might even be able to get a commissary list from where you will be going and ask if you can sey up account when you are "booked" in as a offender Some jails will let you do this .

You will be taken to jail right after court and classified then assigned a living area maybe a job as well as a medical check up . Do not bring any prescription meds with you at all they will be destroyed . Dress comfortably in court because those are the cloths you are leaving jail with . Bring your ID and eye glasses usually you can keep them in jail unlike prison . do not bring any thing such as keys credit cards pocket knives obviously . Bosses are not known for their honesty .

Sometimes if you have money on you it is deposited in your account when you are booked in to the jail . not always though .

It is normal to be scared of jail if you have not been there before . One thing try not ot show you are afraid they will take advantage of that .
If you follow the advice given you will be OK . No it is not going to be pleasant. But it will not be prison or what you see on TV.

Having spent one night there you kow a little bitabput the place already .

It is also OK to be scared .

ASE
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Being in a cell overnight with a person withdrawing from drugs is not at all fun . .Jails could do more to help with this instead of just sticking them in a cell All it does is make that person want those drugs even more .

You will probably not have to deal with that again . If you have any questions as Rolando said just ask .

Do you need some one to write to you if only as a friend? Some one who has been in a much worse place not that where ever it is you are going is a good place being locked up no matter where is not fun .

Pony
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Let me answer a few questions asked of me. I have plead guilty per my lawyers recommendation. It was somme deal she worked out with the Comm Attny. I did not sign any papers agreeing to this deal. I had this attorney through the whole case; but if I could afford another one I certainly would fire this one! The lawyer asked and the CA agreed to let me remain out on bond until the sentencing hearing. The judge accepted the guilty pleas. But shook his head in wonder when both my attorney and the CA waived the reading of evidence. So in reality the judge is taking everything for granted and I still don't know exactly what the basis is for many of the charges. It seemed like alot of good 'ol boy networking goinng on.

For the prescription meds-can I take those with me or will the jail get new meds? I did find out that if I wore all white tennis shoes that I could keep them with me in jail. I need protective footwear as part of one of my big toes was amputated, and I have knee problems that would be agravated (to the point of imparing my ability to walk) if I didn't have decent shoes.

Rolando
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Pony thank you for adding information about issues not
address previously. First let me tell you(by what you say)
that not signing a paper makes no difference. The fact that
the Judge accepted your guilty plea is just as good as any
paper signing. Remember, if you had signed a paper, it is
the Judge who will read that paper, right? So it does not
matter if you signed one or not.

Firing your lawyer has been discussed and advised not
to do that. So I will not rehash that here. Also Pony I
note that you do not understand the basis for "many"
of the charges. I really do not know how to advise you
on this issue because you have not discuss what is
exactly that you mean by "many charges".

If you do not feel comfortable revealing information in
public, please feel free to send me a PM. I am sure ASE
would tell you the same thing.

About your medications Pony. I would do it this way if
I were you:

1). Write down in a neat sheet of paper exactly what
you wrote to me about keeping your medications
in jail. Also in a different paragraph write about
your disabled condition concerning your feet and
legs, which trouble you while walking absent your
special shoes. Write down everything you need to
make your disabled body more comfortable while
in custody, everything you can think of.

2). Pony by law, the Judge will ask you on sentencing
day:

"Do you have anything to say before I pass sentence?"

The Judge will not sentence you until you answer!
It is at this time that you say "Yes your Honor I have". Bring out your paper and ask the Judge to
enter an order in your case giving you your meds and
shoes, explain as you did to me here.

I can with certainty assure you that the Judge will order
the jail nurse to do just that. But you must remember to
speak up..The time to be scare is now over. The only thing
in your favor now is to speak up.

In most courtrooms there is a sign that says:

"Speak and you will be heard"

Again good luck Pony

smiley
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Jails and prisons serve different purposes. Jails detain defendants awaiting a trial, sentencing or a transfer from one prison to another. Jails also confine defendants convicted of a misdemeanor up to a year.

The differences between jails and prisons in the US - by Todd Hicks - Helium

scotthongkong
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Take care Pony. I appreciate what you have said about the importance of mail and I will do just as you suggest and write to my crew today.
Be strong....you sound like you are being incredibly brave.

Pony
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Just wanted to update folks here...I was sentenced to a total of 9 years with all but a total of one year suspended. So I spent 6 months in the local jail. Some things easier to handle than others. But can very well attest to the fact that mail is important! As my family was unable to write much (handicapped) and other friends "ditched" me. So I was lucky to get one letter per month; no visits. So anyone reading this-plan ahead for a penpal. And if you have a penpal-write to him/her today, even if unplanned, it will make their day! I'll write soon some things I learned so that I can pass them on to others looking at serving time. Thanks for all the support from the end of last year.

fee
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what is the difference between jail and prison?
In Scotland its the same thing.....just curious if theres a difference
from reading some posts on here t looks to me that its 2 diff things but here in the UK
its the same thing

fee
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Jails and prisons serve different purposes. Jails detain defendants awaiting a trial, sentencing or a transfer from one prison to another. Jails also confine defendants convicted of a misdemeanor up to a year.

The differences between jails and prisons in the US - by Todd Hicks - Helium

thanks smiley....Prisoners here are put on remand but they are still sent to the same place example: if someone is put on remand until his/her courtcase they can be put into jail/prison alongside peadofiles, murderers basically any crimes. I have found that if the prison is close in the area where the person is from then they are sent to that particular jail.....its weird knowing all different sides of the spectrum here.

8307c4
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I don't know what to tell you but it has been my experience that well over half...
Which is to say somewhere rounds of ninety percent of all inmates, prisoners, offenders, and anyone and everyone ever convicted, in prison today, and soon to be going is there because of some choice made to do with alcohol or drugs...
And it can be in any number of round-about ways such as grand theft auto could mean having stole the car to sell for parts so as to get the money to buy drugs or it could have just been a joy ride when high, fact is it was and is my experience that is how it is, you can see me now or you can talk to me later, it is my advice if you find the above may apply to you, seek ye perhaps in the direction of a 12-step program.

Thank you for reading.

Bonnie Plotkin
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Just wanted to update folks here...I was sentenced to a total of 9 years with all but a total of one year suspended. So I spent 6 months in the local jail. Some things easier to handle than others. But can very well attest to the fact that mail is important! As my family was unable to write much (handicapped) and other friends "ditched" me. So I was lucky to get one letter per month; no visits. So anyone reading this-plan ahead for a penpal. And if you have a penpal-write to him/her today, even if unplanned, it will make their day! I'll write soon some things I learned so that I can pass them on to others looking at serving time. Thanks for all the support from the end of last year.

Hey Pony! Its ages you shared your thoughts. I can not share your pain but can relate to it. Life would have turned upside down with a few roller coaster ride-type experiences. I would like to tell others who are charged or are related to someone who is charged of something or the other, to hunt for a good Bail Bandsman at the first place and then figure out a good lawyer to file in the court.
Life is not easy in prisons. I bet. Ask Pony if dont agree me..

levitate
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Hey Pony, I hope you've achieved freedom again and doing well.