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Kathybear
Kathybear

My opinion have cause a lot of controversy  here and I have started a new post as I don't feel like I can have my say any other way. I'm a mom who's 10 year old son was murdered by a man who had been in prison 3 times before he murdered my son, he did not know my son never met him before. I work with an organisation that helps victims we offer support and help to anyone make, female, children, who face violence within the home and find them A safe place to go if possible. We also help with therapist and if possible read out witness impact  statement In court for victims and families. I want to make it clear that I do believe in the death penalty if it's been given as a sentence in a court of law. I believe that if a sentence of death is given out it should be carried out just like any other sentence would be. 
I know my view is very isn't very popular and never will be but it is my view . I don't make the rules or laws, but I do believe in them. 

 
Carmen163
Carmen

@Kathybear, you repeatedly said things in the line of: I want to make it clear that I do believe in the death penalty if it's been given as a sentence in a court of law. I believe that if a sentence of death is given out it should be carried out just like any other sentence would be. And: but had he got that sentence I would of totally accept that too and I would of expected the state to carry out the sentence he was given, like if his killer has to do at 25 years before parole and yeah I expect them to carry that out and honour that sentence. 

To me that only says that you agree with the given sentence being carried out, any sentence that is. So if it had been doing 3 months community service or the death penalty, you just expect that sentence to be honoured. I don't think that is controversial. I mean you are not against the death penalty, but also not in favor in my view. You are indifferent. Am I right?

 
mjuran
mjuran

My view on the death penalty?  I think if it were a valid answer to controlling crime and dealing with those who have wittingly and deliberately taken someone's life, then I would be in favor of having the sentences carried out, as imposed by the courts.  The fact that so many states have put a moratorium on executions for their DR inmates, or effectively abolished executions altogether and substituted LWOP, seems to me an indication that a growing majority of people now question whether putting people to death is a good solution to the problem of murder.  The number of countries in the world that still impose the death penalty and carry out executions is shrinking steadily.  When the US shares company with China and Saudi Arabia as one of the three major countries that still impose the death penalty and carry out executions, it brings up questions about the kind of society that supports executions as a punishment.  So I question the premise of imposing the death penalty for crime in the first place.  

I'll leave out the moral and ethical considerations involved in taking someone's life for having taken someone's life.  Or taking a life at all.   Just talking about the effectiveness of the death penalty as a tool of criminal justice, what is its supposed purpose?

I see a few things it might be considered good for:  

1.  Deterrence (if people know they risk execution for a crime, they might be less likely to commit a capital offense, so the number of offences will be reduced.)  This has not been shown to be true, however.  Statistically there is not a correlation showing fewer murders in places that impose the death penalty, and anecdotally, it does not appear that people who are motivated enough to kill someone deliberately are deterred by the thought that their crime could carry the death penalty.  

2.  "Justice".  The ancient Bablylonian code of justice that demanded an eye for an eye.  Or, a limb for a particular type of offence, a hand for a petty theft for example.  A tongue, for an adopted child speaking an ungrateful word against his adoptive parents.  And so forth and so on.  It appeals to our sense of symmetry and "correctness" to see crime and punishment in terms of "Tit for Tat" and consider that this fixes something in society.  

3.  The idea that it will be restorative justice to victims and their surviving family to execute the perpetrator of a murder.  That their execution will provide relief and closure and ameliorate--as much as the state can--the wrong done to the victims.  On this, there seems to be a division of opinion.  Some victims say they would feel a measure of relief and consolation from the execution of their offenders, and some say they would not.  Some victims families seek and support the death penalty and some do not.  I think there should be more objective and comprehensive study on that--whether or not it really does provide anything of value to survivors to see the perpetrator executed--and whether, even if it does, that's something civil society owes victims--in order to further see what "restorative justice" value the death penalty has.

Personally I disagree with the premise that executing even guilty murderers does much in the way of solving the problem of crime and protecting victims or their families.  I think there are better solutions.

 

 
mjuran
mjuran

No one has attempted to suppress your views or criticize you for having them, Kathybear.  Now that you've opened a new thread to discuss this topic, all is well.  And of course, everyone is sorry for your horrendous loss.  Only, you are wrong to think no one can understand your feelings for the victims of crimes.  I haven't seen anyone saying that, so far.

I was also attacked (in my own home where I lived alone, at night, by two strangers who broke in through a window.)  I also sent my attackers to jail.  I also might have died, and have suffered acute PTSD from that incident, when I was 17.  I channelled a lot of energy into victim support services: I started a rape survivor's support group, and later, out of that, a student peer awareness and counseling group at my school.  I've spoken to dozens of people who've survived sexual assault and battery and abuse.  I don't feel as though  I should have to say all of this to validate my own opinions on victims and perpetrators, but somehow because you say no one can understand you, I feel compelled to say that's not true..  We're each qualified to have our own valid opinion.  Not sharing an opinion does not mean we can't understand each other's experiences or points of view, when opened up for civil discussion.  And I don't think there's a right view or a wrong view, when it comes to personal feelings.  I respect your right to see the death penalty as you do, and to raise it up for discussion  here, and I hope it will be a lively conversation.  

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

My sons killer did not get the death penalty I've never sat and said he should or I wish he had I have to accept his sentence, but had he got that sentence I would of totally accept that too and I would of expected the state to carry out the sentence he was given, like if his killer has to do at 25 years before parole and yeah I expect them to carry that out and honour that sentence. 

 

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

I'm sorry that happened to you Erie it should never of happened and you should never have to feel that pain no one should, I'm happy you found your own way to heal and honestly the strength you have to tell your story isn't unheard I do feel for victims and I have a passion for them like you would never understand. Aside the other thread and how silly it got anytime you need any support I will do all I can for you. I shouldn't have risen to the post today that was my mistake. Cause my views are so kinda not spoken about I can get defensive. Thanks for your words fire I don't think anyone will ever really share my views and more people think like you, but you should never be afraid to say how you feel ever that's one thing that keeps victims, victims silent but thank you for your comments 

 
Firefeather
Firefeather

 

I feel you caused a certain amount of contraversy because you voiced your opinions on someone elses thread. On a thread where the original poster was clealy upset. I think that was the issue.

I feel it is much more appropriate and acceptable that you have now made your own thread where people can directly reply to any points of view they wish to express.

I want to express my sincere and deepest condolances on the tragic loss of your Son, I just cannot concieve the greif and upset this has caused you. I have a 10 year old Daugher myself.

Now, I dont see how the death penalty brings any kind of criminal justice, it feels like a revenge killing to me only it is murder done legally. I correspond with a DR inmate (no crimes against woman or children )and I have never condoned his crimes nor will I ever. It does however help me to try to understand his perspective in his individual situation. And also believe it or not, there is a human being inside of him, has been honest, remorseful has never denied or tried to fight against what he has done. He is my first pp and only pp at this time and this is because it does take a lot of emotional strength on my part. 

I am not really sure what else I can say. I suppose I am just expressing my opinion as you have yours.

xx