Skip to main content

Must read Terms of Service & Privacy Policy and be at least 18

Must read Terms of Service & Privacy Policy and be at least 18

 
Anne marie HH
Anne marie HH

I'm so worried and sad. It looks like AZ will very soon be restarting executions, and my fiance has exhausted all his appeals. There is a list out of 25 who have, and he is on it.


Last post
42 posts / 0 new

 
Jaseandisa
Jaseandisa

Hello,
I'm so sorry.
Kiss and hugs..

 
VioletGrey
VioletGrey

Really devastated to hear that Anne Marie. Don't know what else to say but sending you and your loved one love from NZ. 

 
maxi
maxi

Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear that. Is there any hope at all to maybe receive clemency or have it overturned after all? Prayers to you. I also don't know what to say else.

 
Kirsten
Kirsten

Anne Marie... what can I say if there isn't anything to say...

 
Anne marie HH
Anne marie HH

Thank you guys. Nothibgs happening yet. But i m just hoping and praying. We're filing, but theres also no legal visirs becos of covid. Its just a terrifying situation

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

Ok I'm going to be very unpopular here but have y'all read what those people in az death row have done murder,rape, child abuse. Some murdered and raped children and what y'all wanna show her support for standing by someone like that? If your loved one took another persons life or a child's life then what do you expect? How would you all feel if whoever she's defending had done it to your loved one. I'm a mother who's son was murdered in cold blood his killer is doing 25-life my son was 10 years old went to buy an ice pop with his best friend and was hit by a car, the driver then got out and shot my son in the head why.....:: cause he had no license and was afraid my son would talk. And now tax payers pay for my sons killer to live. all the state of az is doing is making him pay the price for the life he took. I'm sorry if people here dont like to read this but the victim is the only person who should be shown any kindness. Do y'all even know what he did? Before you all say how sorry you are find out what he did and who too. 

 
mjuran
mjuran

Kathybear, while I sympathize with the pain you've gone through losing your son, you don't need to post your comment on this thread here about someone else's loved one about whom YOU know nothing whatsoever about.  It's inappropriate and insensitive of you.  Please take it to a more appropriate place.  I do not think that launching into a diatribe against anyone on DR for whatever you think they must have done to deserve being there, is a nice thing to do in response to someone posting about the possibility her husband will be executed in the near future.  Do you?

 
mjuran
mjuran

I mean, it's just a little like crashing a stranger's funeral in order to deliver a hate speech, and that is uncool in my book.

Also if you want to debate whether "AZ death row people" have all done terrible things to deserve execution and no sympathy, I refer you to the recent news item (in the past week) about the new DNA exoneration of an AZ DR inmate who was executed four years ago, after repeatedly being turned down for the requested DNA testing that would have cleared him of all involvement in the murder he was falsely convicted of.  Nice.  It happens.  Reserve your judgement, and (as you recommended we all do) find out who you're talking about and what they actually did and to whom, before you start making judgments about their being monsters one and all.  

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

I do know who he is and he murdered a girl in cold blood for money she was innocent. So I can comment I know exactly what he did and that he pleased guilty. Of course they get it wrong totally but in this case it isn't wrong like I said what if it was your loved one he had murdered. She put it up here can I only speak if I wanna tell her how sorry I am? No  look at his case and please read up what Mike Mitch whatever she wants to call him. I did there is only two inmates with that name on death row and you will see. I have my views and if someone posts something I'm not gonna pretend what I feel isn't real. I would never of just posted that I replied to a post. And your totally right I'm sure any dna testing will, has, or can be done. She posted his name here for all too see I saw and looked. To me I'm a firm believer in the death penalty. They get more opportunities to place appeals, new evidence and get a lawyer because  of the prosses then any other prisoner in the system. You can't  know how it feels to know someone who's killed your child is being fed, kept safe, laughing, etc etc. I bet in all the years he sat on death row they have hugged each other kissed, laughing, seeing each other, do you think the girl he murdered family don't think about that? As far as I'm concerned she's only feeling right now what her family have felt for years. and no names you call me nothing you can say will ever make my view different. He made his choice to commit his crime she made the choice to stand by him the victim and there families had no choice. Where is your kindness for the victims? Oh I'm sorry they can't be talked about.like I said I know who I'm talking about do you? 

 
Kirsten
Kirsten

I also know who he is and read some of his case.

But still, I commented differently from you.

Why? Because I don't believe in revenge. I don't believe that murder is ok, neither by a person, nor by a state.

And I don't believe that any victim's family will get closure or justice by executing anyone. 

Does it bring a lost loved one back? Does it ease pain? Does it end the circle of violence?

I'm not saying "Forgive!" and I'm not saying "Forget!" (how could you and how could ever anyone demand it? Impossible...)

But what I'm saying is: End that spiral. That spiral that makes each and every individual's life worth less and less...

 
Carmen163
Carmen

You are right Kirsten, research shows that closure is more common in states that do not carry out the death penalty. https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/the-death-penalty-and-the-myth-of-clo…. Some find the thought unbearable that in the name of a loved one, someone else will be murdered. Some cannot cope with the ongoing trials, which brings up sorrow everytime. And the fact that other innocent family members will be victim of a murder by the state, is also awful. Besides that, two wrongs doesn't equal a right. I have never understood how people can say they find life so sacret, that they will allow murder to proof that. 

Please end the cycle of hatred and revenge, because that is the only way things will change. People are not well equiped to feel hate, it destroys us. My country was the second country in the world to abolish the death penalty in 1870 and I am happy we did. 

This is by far the most inspirational quote I know:

"Darkness can not drive out darkness, only light can do that. Hatred cannot drive out hatred, only love can do that." Dr. Martin Luther King.

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

I totally respect what you say Kirsten I've read a lot of what you have said here over the years I've just never posted before. But the jury made their choice she has had plenty to say here about people and their relationship and I have my opinion it's not personal to him it's just what I believe. Some say revange I say karma. I don't make the rules the state did that. you give a fair view Kirsten you always have but I stand by what I say if you post it your gonna have to hear everyone's view. Only a coward takes an innocent life I get sometimes you have to defend yourself or things happend but when you set out to take a life you know what your doing. Your right not even death row takes away the pain nothing will ever but what it does give is  justice someone said about how innocent people have been killed on death row absolutely. But my sons killer was in prison 3 times and let out how come no one what's to talk about the changes of reoffending? Cause I know for sure that's higher then the amount of innocent people that have been killed on death row. You all have the right to show support for who you like. But mine is with the victims and their family's 

 
Kirsten
Kirsten

Kathy, I do. I do hear your point of view. 

I never told you not to post it.

I just don't share it.

As for Anne Marie posting about other ppl's relationships, that's not my business.

If you read for a couple of years, you may have noticed I stated my thoughts on some of these comments when I thought it might help the communication.

One difference that I see between Annemarie and her husband in regard to relationships, is, that they were together before the crime took place. That's a different ballgame compared to someone falling in love with a penpal and compartimentalizing his or her crime(s) out of their personality.

Personally (but this is just my own point of view) I don't believe that listening to a prisoner or supporting him is equal to letting down a victim's family. I don't think so. I don't see that as an automatism. As insinuated above, I'm not fond of making compartments. It helps the outmate, but not the inmate in the long run, in my opinion. 

The question of reoffending and the prognosis of that,is an entirely different one and it should be treated differently than it very often is, in my opinion. Less ideological and much more factbased. More Ressler and van Zandt and less gut feelings.

Yet, for ppl on the row the risk of reoffending is gone. So, if you want to discuss this,let's do it in another thread.

I'd like to respect Annemarie's feelings and hear you and I think this goes better in different threads.

 

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

I respect your view Kirsten and thank you for hearing my point of view like I said I committed cause it was out there for all to see. We have different views I know my views are totally different to many out there and I'm probably in a very small % who isn't against the death penalty. But it is what it is god will make the judgment in the end. 

 
Kirsten
Kirsten

My goal wasn't to change your views, my goal was to say that different views don't have to hinder communication, as long as everyone can speak up and be heard in a respectful way.

 

 
Selosa
Selosa

Kathybear I am very sorry for your loss.

 
Carmen163
Carmen

Kathybear, out of curiousity; what are you doing on WAP if you have such strong feelings of revenge and not of kindness, forgiveness or emphathy?

 
Carmen163
Carmen

And Kathybear, there is another thing I would like to ask you. You say: To me I'm a firm believer in the death penalty. My question is: for what, what makes you firmly believe in the death penalty? I very much hope you will answer my questions, as I am truly curious for your opinions.

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

I believe it's a form of justice and so does the law or else it wouldn't be there. I don't understand why people fight so hard to stop people who murder rape etc facing their sentence I wish and hope we lived in a world where the victims had the same passion for justice. Anyway I said I wouldn't comment on here anymore simply for the respect of other uses if you wanna start a new topic I will gladly answer or email me kathyjessie38 [at] gmail.comrel="nofollow" 

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

Sorry I dint see your first question my sons killer had a profile on here I was unaware of this site till a friend of mine said he had been put on a Facebook site for scammers and crimes against children after I think it was 3 people (2 females and 1 male ) had come forward and said he had told them he loved them or something take money  I'm not sure of all the ins and out. That's how I came across this site and this forum. Writeaprisoner had his crime simplely as murder. 

 
Baquero
Baquero

Tell him to appeal to Jesús Amen!7874788052 tell him to call me!

 
Carmen163
Carmen

@Kathybear, thank you very much for answering my questions and offering to give me more information. I might have another question, which I will email to you. Thanks again!

 
freebird1
freebird1

This is such a divisive subject, and I am certainly in no position to be judgmental about how anyone reacts to DR inmates. But all I see is the perpetuation of what starts out as a single crime, but then develops into a much more far more reaching web. I understand how the victim's family have been robbed of a loved relation, and that they want justice. But the instant a judge decrees a death sentence, he/she then becomes a murderer by default. The people who carry out such sentences become murderers. The DR inmate could easily have family who then also become part of the victim circle, and are then put into the same situation as the original victims family. How does such a knock on effect justify taking another life? How does it achieve justice? It doesn't, because it is a revenge penalty, and whereby the original victims family believe they have achieved satisfaction. I very much doubt this to be the case, as it doesn't bring the lost person back, so the loss and mourning don't magically disappear. What it does is create a whole new set of people who now face the tragedy of losing a loved one. Because no matter what beliefs anyone carries, every person was born to a mother/father/siblings/relations...and who now all become affected in the same way. It ceases to be about the original crime and becomes a humanitarian act that is out dated and barbaric in a modern society that claims to be educated and moral. Nobody wins,  everyone loses, and we as a human race stand still in time.

 
mjuran
mjuran

I read a story once about an Amish family whose barely teenage  daughter had been abducted off the street and gone missing for months, and another Amish boy wrongly initially suspected of her disappeance, until finally her body was discovered and the true perpetror of what had been done to her was finally determined.  However it was, it was a horrible crime and a horrible thing that had been done, but what amazed me most about the reaction of the parents of the girl--of the mother, especially--was the ability to abstain from any desire to seek revenge or retribution.  The perpetrator had been apprehended and wouldn't be able to repeat his crime with anyone else, and that was enough, for them.  They didn't want the death penalty, they got no comfort  from the idea of seeing their daughter's murderer die or suffer.  To them, perhaps because of their own spiritual or religious beliefs, that was irrelevant to the tragedy that had befallen their daughter and themselves.  I do not know how I'd feel myself, in a similar situation, but I could imagine coming to see things this way, and finding it comforting to not carry around a burden of  hate and anger.

Though these are all good things to think about and discuss, and I think there  should be a place to discuss them from all sides, my original objection to Kathybear's post is that someone else's private DR tragedy is not the thread to choose to mount an airing of grievances against offenders with the death penalty.  The motivation for posting that comment here, on Anne Marie HH's post, is very suspect to me.

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

@mjuran grow up and stop making it about sus or making trouble and something it's not I could comment on any of her posts but choice this one cause it's a subject that I feel strongly about as for the case you talk about that's them their choice it's not mine so I will speak on it how I want just cause that family choice was to deal and cope with it is their choice. Who are you to tell me how I should feel about my sons murder and how I deal with it. The author posted it if she doesn't like it don't put your business out there. Your making it worse adding something that's simply not there. 

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

Anyone who can read a story of anyone that's on death row not just the authors anyone of the many people on death row read it, close your eyes and image what your reading happend to your, child, your mom, your father, your friend, any one you truly love, for many of you, you can't even imagine it or want too I do no what it's like to have a child murder it's not just about children anyone you love even if you try and imagine it you can't.  Turn it around now try and imagine just going out and killing someone not  defending your loved ones just walking out the house and killing someone just cause you can. many of you also can't imagine that. People who make a choice and choice is a major word to go do what they do should have to face whatever sentence is given and if that's death then that's the sentence that will happen, have you ever seen the author or anyone else in her situation say how  sorry they are for what their lives one did? No never? But you can come here and say how sorry you are that he's now having to pay the price for a crime he chooses to comment. If he had never of done what he did a judge, jury, and so called people like me wouldn't ever beable to comment would we? 

 
mjuran
mjuran

Kathybear, your opinions are your own and I'll say for the third time I don't take issue with your airing those opinions in an appropriate place.  You're the one who needs to grow up and stop being a troll. 

 
Kirsten
Kirsten

@Mjuran and Kathybear: Why do you both judge each other instead of listening to each other?

Why do you judge, and try to explain how "wrong" the other one is, mutually?

Sad to watch,

Kirsten

 

 
Kirsten
Kirsten

There is no "right" or "wrong" in this, only personal experiences and feelings which are human and valid on and from both sides.

Make your own thread, discuss it there or go into email if you like that better, but let each other and the thread opener out of the grip of pain and shadow boxing.

Please.

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

I gave my email those people don't have the guts to tell me they wanna make a name here why did I post here because the author posted it had she not I'd never of spoke     Side with a murder I'm always gonna have my say if you don't like it I don't care 

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

Cause Kirsten they just wanna feel for the pain of the criminal and not the person who is the victim and can I add before you bash me he isn't her penpal so your point now is what? 

 
Kirsten
Kirsten

Kathy, I'm not wanting to bash anyone.

Frankly,  I didn't understand why or what for this thread got new posts today when it was or had been going down for good.

Personally, I think that everyone's feelings are valid. No one can go and say "My feelings are more valid than yours."

And don't get me wrong, me being relieved that the thread had been going down was not about keeping feelings or a conflict under the rug.

But, I believe, Anne Marie has the right to be sad about the upcoming loss of her husband and to share this sadness with us here on a forum where ppl meet who are writing to prisoners, including those on Death Row.

You have the right to be here and grieve the loss of your son just as well.

But I believe (and this is only my personal belief again) that grief and pain and anger and rage need a safe space. And this safe space is neither created nor held by comparing one pain with another or by walking over each other's personal pain or by intruding the space where this pain comes up.

I could even open another thread for the two of you,if that helped, but please, let Annemarie be Annemarie. Here. In her space. And the two of you be yourselves - in your own space. Or in your own arena,if that suits any or both of the two of you better right now.

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

I'm being called a troll and names cause I never  come here and had  the same view as everyone else, I'm a troll cause I spoke about my son and not how sorry i was for her sadness but there you are what I have learned here is fell in line.  only post what falls in line with the author (any author) and never stand up for anything you believe. 

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

No I only gave my view then responded when asked so please read as for mjuran I last spoke to her on this matter on the 13th of may she started it all up again today so I responded like I said my email was on here to talk in private and has you can see until she spoke to me that's what I was doing. So I'm unsure why this is being put on me I never asked her to comment here again she could of emailed me 8 other people have some really wanted to tell me off some wanted to understand. Some agree so I had a private opinion if she wants to start it all up 7 days later then you need to speak to her. 

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

Come on let's not play games the reason it all started up again and you haven't used my private opinion is cause yeah maybe you did feel sad for the author, but now it's turned in to what you love DRAMA I've made it very clear I don't care what the author thinks or anyone else so yeah I'm gonna keep having my view, but y'all that feel for her and don't want this why are you still posting here? This was dead no post really for days so who started back here? Oh it was the person who said how terrible it was, your here cause you love it, you wanted it all to start again. Just say it like it is. 

 
DeltaRun
DeltaRun

I am sorry.I do not believe in the death penalty.It does not serve as a deterent. We will not be a civilized society until the DP is banned. Innocent people as well as guilty have been executed. We have a flawed justice system & I don't see how how Lawmakers can live with themslves knowing this.

 
Dedenne
Dedenne

It is sad, and nothing but an attempt at either a revenge killing or sadistic, legalised killing. The appeals system is a joke, they know full well that they will deny almost every one. People talk about the family/friends of the vicitim (many of which also oppose the executions), yet no one thinks of the innocent family/friends of the condemned. May God watch over both of you, and all that are struggling with this. I'm praying for you both.

 
Ginger84
Ginger84

hI guys, i do not believe on the death penality and i am glade its not in Australia, sadly my grandfather got murdered before i was born, i did not got the opportunity to meet my grandfather, my father was only 3yrs old when his father died. he did not have the opportunity to know his father as he was young.. we only know him from stories!! 

but the death penality would never bring my grandfather back, also some times these people are severe sick mentally, in fact i nearly killed my son when he was an baby as i suffered from postnatel depression. i would not do this when i was not ill, as i love my son to many pieces but lucky i had stoped myself, but imaging if i did not had the corrage; like other people do not have this and now they are sitting on death row. 

We can not Judge the people who sitting in death row, we do not know them personally; we do not know there life or what happened! we are all human so we just need to pray to god as people do aweful mistakes and sometimes they are regreting it, that is why jesus died on the cross for our sins. 
not all people are laughing about it and partying about it, some of these people show remorse; we can not take one death row person as the others!! 

Anne Marie, i am sorry that you are upset as your man got punished, maybe she does not like what her partner done, but we do not know him personally or how he grown up, but she loves him... and its not her fault who she loves, maybe she sees something inside of her partner is good, that we can not see it but she can also she did not the one done the crime, so its not her fault!! 

send you hugs 

 
Anne marie HH
Anne marie HH

Kattybear is a nasty little troll who really doesn't belong on a site like this. She seems to have no iinkling that sometimes innocent people get swept up in things, and were not even in the state when the crime occurred. Thank you to those who offer support. Xoxo

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

Yeah! Yeah! I'm a troll cause I'm speaking the truth pleaseeeeeee (roll of eyes) and honestly? Really? How many times has a prisoner used that old line? It wasn't me I wasn't even there? Come on it's right but there with I shouldn't be here I'm innocent. After going through every appeal to the point of no more appeals if anyone on death row was innocent then any new evidence would be found in that process. And it does for those who are innocent. When you choose to comment a crime in a state that carry the death penalty then your gonna get the death penalty. 

 
Kathybear
Kathybear

We can all go online and fine a topic that fits our point of view. But if you or someone you know committed a crime with a death penalty why act like it's a massive shock when it's carried out. All that talk about noooo just let them all have a chance on the outside, pleaseeee if y'all found out someone who had murder and raped a child, men, women had been let out to be a good person right on your door step you wouldn't have them over for dinner. Many don't even have an option on the death penalty till or gave it a second through till it's had an inpact on your life in some way. 

 

 
MartinSlovak
MartinSlovak

Terrible situation. How it's going? Coming from a democratic state in European Union, I still cannot believe that death penalty is still allowed in a democratic country like United States. It is considered a barbarism here. Only few right-wing extremists want it back, otherwise the discussion about it was closed decades ago.