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Been_on_the_inside

Hey guys 

This is just a view from people let’s keep it respectful even though it’s a sensitive topic please. I hope this discussion isn’t gonna make people uncomfortable.

So in prison many crimes are a big no no like crimes against children, sexual assault on women or men, even sometimes domestic violence, in fact any kinda of disrespect to women and children are classed as the worse in prison, not just for male inmate but females too, many will P.C up before they even get out of the holding cell to be placed in general population, what I would like to know is how many agree that the should be aloud to P.C? Do you think they should have to go into general population? Or that P.C Is the best place for them to do their time.

Guys this is just a question to get a view on what people think. I get what people think of them on the outside it’s no different to the inside I’m talking about what you think about how prisons deal with it. 

 

 

 

 


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FrankieBones

Well, you let people walk around in gen. pop. and they going to get ganked. It's almost not a matter of if but when. Unfortunately, as much as people who believe in retribution think it’s right. It doesn't happen through the justice system and therefore being ganked in prison is not a legal punishment.... Sorry to rain on the parade.

 
ST4s

And here's another side of the coin: one of my guys PC'd up as part of a gang disengagement program. The state he's in is making a lot of progress in that department, and at this point, he's out of max and in a PC yard (along with ex-grand poobahs and other members of the same and simpatico gangs) with ALL kinds of opportunities: jobs, education, acommodating schedules (e.g. not 23-hour-a-day confinement), so not all PC is the same. The biggest change for him is he's not looking over his shoulder 24/7/365, feeling like a target. 

 
MG65

I don’t think they should be put in pc. 

 
Been_on_the_inside

Thanks guys and I agree with all. the prisons  I called home many out of state transfers so many states, I never come across p.c being forced or offered it was always a choice, but I have heard it happens. But your right there is more money put into sex offenders the anything else including drug counciling, and In some prisons  even more money then on medical and metal illness, 

the dudes that  p.c up don’t have it easy And it’s true they do get less and have different rules they can only do low paid work cause it’s shift work and they can keep them away in certain shifts. 

It’s great to hear what y’all think 

 
Atemwende

As they say, nothing is ever black and white, right?

One of my penpals is a registered sex offender. I didn't know this until later on in writing them, but learning it, nonetheless, didn't close my mind off to them. They have not encountered much of what is mentioned here because their murder charge overshadows the charge that led them to be registered. I would wager most don't even know about the fact they're on the registry, as it's the lesser charge. I only ever discovered it when broadening my search trying to find anything at all on them.

Maybe an opportunity for a little tip BTW: if you're the curious type but can't find anything on your penpal, make sure you're covering all bases. I never thought to search the sex offender registry.

 
AnneMariesQUEEN

It’s interesting how it’s viewed differently.  While you certainly don’t have to apologize, a murder IS a murder, yes, In some states in America, including mine, there are castle laws and doctrines in which self-defense is legally allowed, such as a person breaking and entering a home, the owner, if feeling their life is in danger, is free from any prosecution and it’s considered a justifiable homicide.  Obviously this varies from state to state, and often at times, case to case.

That’s something I am curious about as well - are there a lot of programs in prisons offered to treat sex offenders and do these programs work well?  Are the prisoners given adequate access to enroll in them is another good question.  I’ve seen them listed on the websites of the prisons when going to look up a mail rule or something, but definitely doesn’t mean just because they are listed at a few places they’re wildly available.

 
Kirsten

It's their choice, in my opinion. If they apply for protective custody, give it to them. If they don't ask/apply for protective custody, they won't be given it.

I'm with a writer on that one.

Plus, sorry to say so, but murder is murder. And a SO being murdered is a person being murdered. While no one will agree with their deed, it's important to discern between the deed(s) and the person who did them. I have (and forever will) condemned deeds of sexuality without consent, all the more, if the non-consenting part is helpless, either by being a child or otherwise.

But we'll never understand the dynamics fully, nor even slightly develop ways of preventing deeds like that or lowering their # best we can, if anyone isn't willing to listen and try to get at least a tiny grip on these perpetrator's motivations. There is A LOT we don't know and we won't be getting to know more or better, if we all ignore. Yet, this knowledge is needed badly for prevention.

One of the (for me) most impressing conversations I've ever had on this subject took place while I was still studying at university. A friend of mine (who had told me a while ago about having been sexually abused over several years as a child) told me: "As much as I despise what he did, as much as I struggle with the consequences, how will we EVER stop it happening if no one works with the perpretrators?" Got me thinking.

And while I never "worked with perpetrators" as mentioned above, the thought in itself was very understandable to me. There's a point to it, as much (or as little) someone might want to (dis)agree with it.

   

 
AnneMariesQUEEN

That also brings up a really good point about the judicial system.  Until I started doing this, I was completely unaware of the number of people who were incarcerated for cases where there comes in so many questions of self-defense, lack of evidence, questionable testimony, etc.  Now I’m certainly not saying my pen pals are pure angels, they walked down some paths that are better off not gone down.  But all those questions that come up, that perhaps it was NOT proven without a doubt, even after a verdict was first handed down, certainly keeps appeals court, lawyers, inmates, and judges very busy.  

In certain cases were there’s so much proof, like the recent Jaycee (I forget her last name, apologies) case, who was targeted, kidnapped, held, then the man who did it admitted it and wrote her letters from prison...to me that is just sick.  I can’t justify that as the same crime as someone who shot a person who was breaking in, trying to rob their home, or attacking them.

 
AnneMariesQUEEN

I think it’s a personal thing, to be honest, like I probably shouldn’t be on a jury of someone who committed sexual offenses towards children.  I would just be horrified and be honest and tell the judge I was going to get upset.  If it came to a case with two adults and I was on the jury, I would have a more reasonable head and be less emotional over it.  I think people react differently in different situations, but *not* everyone.  I can’t reveal my DR pen pals crimes on here for privacy reasons but they were not more severe than many cases I’ve seen who have gotten much less harsh punishments for similar actions.

 
Atemwende

Respectfully, I want to take a moment to go back and revisit something you said, athena. It gives me cause to wonder. To classify sex offenders/their crime as 'pure evil' seems a fallacy, especially taking into consideration that you do write to inmates on the row and those in on life without parole. As you yourself said in a separate thread, often with death row and those serving the sentence of life, the crimes committed are quite severe/heinous to have put them there (if they are rightfully, justifiably there, that is, and the justice system has not systematically failed them based on sex, race, and/or class). What makes one violent crime, one criminal in on a violent charge having committed a heinous act, any more pure evil than another?

 

 
AnneMariesQUEEN

He didn’t do anything bad to get into solitary btw.  I feel like I should stick up for him lol.  There had been a security and staff shortage issue at the facility and the entire place was in lockdown, people moved to seg, etc.

 
AnneMariesQUEEN

Oh, that’s interesting to know, Atem!  I was wondering a bit about PC/SMU/ad seg.  I wasn’t so sure if it was a place closer to the guards if they needed help or to be watched or what.  Most of my pen pals are all at the highest level of max security and in those types of units. I think they get a hour of yard time once a week, showers a few times a week, unfortunately laundry sucks and they spend lots of time washing stuff in the sink.  It’s 22/23 hours of lock up a day.  The other ones who are in programs and have jobs, go on lockdown a little less but some of the highest level max don’t offer much in the way of programs.  I was extremely confused at why anyone would think isolation (sometimes for years at a stretch) would be an effective treatment, as that can cause severe mental health issues, not to mention problems with the body as well (lack of sunlight, fresh air, etc) but then I read it care from religious beliefs of people who first started building prisons.  They thought isolation was healing as it was “a time of prayer.”  I had a friend (from my every day life, not a pen pal I met on here) who spent 8 months in solitary.  He was not healthy, physically, and lost 45 pounds.  I fought with him to eat and take vitamins.  I didn’t mean to be harsh towards him about his weight but I was very concerned.

 
Atemwende

If an inmate wishes to be placed into protective custody, then yes, I believe they should be allowed a placement in protective custody.

I do not believe, however, that it should be mandatory for perpetrators of certain crimes, that they should have to be forced to take a spot in protective custody due to the nature of the crime committed and/or because the prison staff have reasoned it necessary to fear for their safety, without first consulting the inmate and the inmate's state of mind. My stance is that it should remain a choice for the inmate to make.

Protective custody only reinforces the broken carceral system already in place. As an article I recently read on whether prisons are necessary determines, what is often being done in these reforms is trading one cruelty for another. I understand inmates in protective custody are disallowed certain privileges, such as participation in the same activities those in general population are allowed—open visitation with friends and family members, going to the recreational yard, eating in the chow hall, taking part in classes and/or church services. PC is a glorified form of isolation, as it sets the inmate apart from all others and requires they be more often in solitude. In addition, inmates under protective custody are more heavily guarded overall. In the best interest? Depends on whom's best interest we're talking, because certainly it's not in the best interest of rehabilitation. 

 
AnneMariesQUEEN

I think it’s best they go in PC or get segregated.  I read constantly in the news what happens to people who are in there for that.  My pen pals all stay away from them.  There are also plenty people in prison who lost their temper and murdered a sex offender instead of letting the law handle the case.  That’s one that brings out A LOT of anger and emotion for people, as children can not defend themselves in many ways and often do not understand what is going on.  Plus it’s just...well, to me those actions just seem like pure evil and I don’t get why in the world anyone would do that.  As a teacher, we warn people over and over NOT to text students, do not add them on fb.  Then you have those cases you read about the paper, the people who didn’t listen to those ethics and rules, who are in prison for hanging out with 13 year olds, when adults have no actual business being best friends with them.  They were just inviting trouble into their lives and it showed up.  I imagine there is treatment for people who commit those crimes but I would stay far away from people like that too.