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ChiTownRob

So after reading the Tribune this AM on the way into the office, it seems the gang bangers on the West and South side were very busy indeed.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/8-dead-at-least-57-shot-in-memorial-day-wee…

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-memorial-day-weeke…

So depressing to see such senseless violence in my city.


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ChiTownRob

I take it that means you do not like Trump?

Hilary certianly had a tireless lackey, lol. The force is strong in that one.

More sad news from Chicago's South and West Sides today. 2 more people were murdered today in broad daylight.

3 shot, 2 fatally, in daytime shootings - Chicago Tribune

This is a new one. The gangs are apparently getting pretty bold. They do not normally assassinate people during the day, and I am a daily reader of the Trib, so I would of heard. On an even sadder note, Chicago closed the month of May as the bloodiest in decades. 66 shot and killed and over 400 shot and wounded.

Fatal shooting of boy, 15, ends deadliest May in Chicago in 21 years - Chicago Tribune

In other news, I heard something about a Gorilla on the front page of a couple of national publications. Glad the media has it's priorities straight.

 
whitediamonds

Nope sorry. Donald Trump is a Misogynist, racist, homophobic
big time jerk.

I take it that means you do not like Trump?

 
whitediamonds

Nope sorry, Donald Trump does not create something positive but
something negative.

Why is that not a positive to have runners run? And Canada would welcome them. Win Win for all sides.

 
whitediamonds

Willbe lol not true about those two, they stated they would leave, of course this is where they got rich. You always say you hate rich/fat people.

Anyone who runs from America over if Trumps wins, Trump did create something positive already..

 
whitediamonds

If Donald Trump wins you will want to move here
in Canada.

We have lots of room.(and welcome you)

LOL to funny.. the whole world knows Peanut would never move out of America. Real fighters do not run, real Americans do not run.

The whole world knows too, something is terrible wrong all over this world.

 
whitediamonds

As an outsider of America, I think Hillary is the best thing
to stop a Donald Trump.

The whole World knows that:yup:

Yeah, why anyone would think if Trump wins all will go to chit, it already has gone to chit. Years of liberals & Demo's thinking has brought it to this not just in America.

Chicago is proof of that the greatest example there is.

 
whitediamonds

This whole thing is crazy and sad.
That is why Hillary Clinton will have
gun control.

willbe, willbe willbe.

Chicago has strict gun laws. Yes, the answer is advertise gun free zone's. Then take away legal guns from legal citizens. Solved !!!! We should disarm our officers too & use tasers or pepper spray, while a gun is pointed at our heads.
A rational start would be, get that black market of illegal guns one heck of a time.If we can go to the moon & have such tight security just to take a plane, Jesus one would think we could get them shut down?

Why does that liberal Hillary want to work it backwards ????????????

 
whitediamonds

The cops still respond to their calls in these hoods but they no longer actively seek out criminals for pat downs and stops like they used to.

The result is what you see in the Tribune article. I wish I could be more optimistic about the future, but the public here does not seem to care much since it happens ghetto neighborhoods. They generally do not pay much attention to death in black communities unless there is some political angle, with a caucasian being involved being the most apt to attract attention.

The public mentality is let them kill off each other is why.

Also the heavily armed Black Panthers are a voice saying, no more pigs in our communities. Which is what the gangs in the ghetto have accomplished themselves. Black Panthers too seem to care less about the innocent blacks living & dying in fear there who have no part in the violence. They can't snitch. Revenge would be fast, like it is not dangerous enough for them.

 
DarkStar

It does. :yup:

 
whitediamonds

Of course.......Al Capone! It makes sense now! Lol I didn't get to watch all of it, but yes........the originator

All one has to watch & the name (Capone) in just a few minutes it does answer pretty much all of it. To Chicago's violent history.

 
whitediamonds

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Something extreme needs to be addressed in the gang warfare but I don't know what as I don't know enough regarding this politically & it's not my place to say not being from that neck of the woods.

Your Welcome DarkStar, I agree with your comments a fine line there.

I really respect & appreciate your last sentence, for saying that.

 
DarkStar

Of course.......Al Capone! It makes sense now! Lol I didn't get to watch all of it, but yes........the originator

 
DarkStar

Thanks for the link peanut. I guess a restorative order & control in extreme circumstances. Sounds good in theory, but in practice becoming somewhat of a dictatorship & like anything with human nature it's left open to corruption & those that seek to rebel. Not to mention all the lawsuits that could be filed. It's all a bit beyond my comprehension though I mean communism for all it was in Eastern Europe although terribly strict under dictatorship took away people's rights but also everyone was equal.

Something extreme needs to be addressed in the gang warfare but I don't know what as I don't know enough regarding this politically & it's not my place to say not being from that neck of the woods.

 
whitediamonds

I don't know anything about chicago's violent history .....

Chicago's violent history, do not watch it may be too graphic for some. It is factual reality of that cities past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGuKthwr8Mc

 
whitediamonds

True enough Amantha. True enough......

I have no idea what martial law means out there in the states, but something needs doing I suppose if they banned guns in the whole country, the gangs would only use other weapons, so it's the gangs mentality that needs targeting.

Tall order

Meaning of martial law..

Martial Law legal definition of Martial Law

 
DarkStar

It's horrible & so sad. For the innocent. I don't know anything about chicago's violent history so I can't comment on that but I'm guessing gangs are pretty much everywhere.

I just wish there was a way to retrain their brains! In an ideal world again eh?....... Lol but seriously, human nature is so far gone......

 
whitediamonds

I can understand peanut I feel for the innocent bystanders & their families too! I'm just trying to get a grasp on all this gang related activity as its not something we really experience over here.

I'm guessing the guys or girls initiated into these gangs are quite young & impressionable & see everything in 'black & white' with no shades of grey, maybe some join to be protected or to 'belong' to something & I think it's almost impossible to get out once they're in, but killing rival gang members? I know it's just the way it's done but I really struggle to comprehend the concept :-(

I wish they had some other positive focus, opportunity, strength or could remain neutral. I know there are parts of the world where they are attempting this, but even one life lost is one too many.....

Exactly.

When they are in their gang wars, bullets go thru walls killing even little kids just sleeping in bed.

Maybe I am way off here, a part of that mentality could be from Chicago's violent history. ?? Which makes it different?

 
DarkStar

I can understand peanut I feel for the innocent bystanders & their families too! I'm just trying to get a grasp on all this gang related activity as its not something we really experience over here.

I'm guessing the guys or girls initiated into these gangs are quite young & impressionable & see everything in 'black & white' with no shades of grey, maybe some join to be protected or to 'belong' to something & I think it's almost impossible to get out once they're in, but killing rival gang members? I know it's just the way it's done but I really struggle to comprehend the concept :-(

I wish they had some other positive focus, opportunity, strength or could remain neutral. I know there are parts of the world where they are attempting this, but even one life lost is one too many.....

 
whitediamonds

Surely it would be better if they missed their intended targets altogether........ Just sayin'

DarkStar they miss the intended target, & others not involved end up dead instead. Not all in the Ghetto people there are gang related. So, I feel for them, they are paying the price of gang to gang shootings.

 
DarkStar

True enough Amantha. True enough......

I have no idea what martial law means out there in the states, but something needs doing I suppose if they banned guns in the whole country, the gangs would only use other weapons, so it's the gangs mentality that needs targeting.

Tall order

 
Amantha

Surely it would be better if they missed their intended targets altogether........ Just sayin'

Well not really because then innocent bystanders get shot.

 
DarkStar

Surely it would be better if they missed their intended targets altogether........ Just sayin'

 
whitediamonds

None of the folks who commit these acts are registered gun owners (what we call a FOID card here in Illinois). They are obtained almost exclusively from illegal means. Gangs are major buyers of firearms, and the black market thrives.

Those guns obtained from illegal means, these gangsters" Chicago west/south side stuff, cannot even hit an intended target. They only know how to fire off the gun. Anyone in the area of the gun fire is dead.

Mexican gangs, white gangs, sorry if this sounds racist, at least they know how to kill the intended target.

 
ChiTownRob

Not that it would happen but...martial law would put an end to it.

That has been brought up in the past, but I doubt a little weasel like Rahm Emanuel has the balls for something like that. Not to mention, I am sure the media would deem such an action as racist. There has also been talk of having Governor Rauner call in the Illinois National Guard's infantry and military police divisions out of Springfield to patrol the South and West sides. This has also been dismissed.

Call in the National Guard to protect Chicago's South and West sides - Chicago Tribune

Even though actions I agree with you that those actions would put an end to the bloodshed, they are not politically feasible in a place like Chicago.

 
whitediamonds

None of the folks who commit these acts are registered gun owners (what we call a FOID card here in Illinois). They are obtained almost exclusively from illegal means. Gangs are major buyers of firearms, and the black market thrives. Most of these crimes happen in two distinct parts of the city (South and West sides). These hoods are aprox. 90% black, making it a hot potato issue in Chicago from a political standpoint. As you may have heard, the cops have been in hot water in a couple of high profile cases involving blacks, so they pretty much do the bare minimum in these neighborhoods for fear of being subject to public scrutiny, or worse. The cops still respond to their calls in these hoods but they no longer actively seek out criminals for pat downs and stops like they used to.

The result is what you see in the Tribune article. I wish I could be more optimistic about the future, but the public here does not seem to care much since it happens ghetto neighborhoods. They generally do not pay much attention to death in black communities unless there is some political angle, with a caucasian being involved being the most apt to attract attention.

Not that it would happen but...martial law would put an end to it.

 
DarkStar

So sad. :-( I know gang activity is also rife in prison. But I wonder why gang members are predominantly of race. What attracts them to such a life in the first place.

I guess there is gang activity in every state to some degree. Maybe the police fear they are fighting a losing battle, but if there's no control this ends up the result.......Some are just kids, it's so sad.

We probably are heading towards small minority gangs over here but absolutely nothing like on a scale as in the U.S. Some of the youth here seem to want to copy America but thankfully it is the minority in these incidences. It is worrying though - the violence

Human nature at its worse. Sometimes I think the world is going mad. Human nature. - we're our own worst enemy.

 
ChiTownRob

Oh God :cry: I just can't comprehend.......On Memorial Day too. I just don't get all the gangs & gun crime in the U.S. Does everyone over there own a gun? & for protection too, but often used in the wrong circumstance. We don't have much gun crime over here as most people certainly don't own one. :-(

Condolences go out to all of the victims & all of those families affected on all sides.

None of the folks who commit these acts are registered gun owners (what we call a FOID card here in Illinois). They are obtained almost exclusively from illegal means. Gangs are major buyers of firearms, and the black market thrives. Most of these crimes happen in two distinct parts of the city (South and West sides). These hoods are aprox. 90% black, making it a hot potato issue in Chicago from a political standpoint. As you may have heard, the cops have been in hot water in a couple of high profile cases involving blacks, so they pretty much do the bare minimum in these neighborhoods for fear of being subject to public scrutiny, or worse. The cops still respond to their calls in these hoods but they no longer actively seek out criminals for pat downs and stops like they used to.

The result is what you see in the Tribune article. I wish I could be more optimistic about the future, but the public here does not seem to care much since it happens ghetto neighborhoods. They generally do not pay much attention to death in black communities unless there is some political angle, with a caucasian being involved being the most apt to attract attention.

 
DarkStar

Oh God :cry: I just can't comprehend.......On Memorial Day too. I just don't get all the gangs & gun crime in the U.S. Does everyone over there own a gun? & for protection too, but often used in the wrong circumstance. We don't have much gun crime over here as most people certainly don't own one. :-(

Condolences go out to all of the victims & all of those families affected on all sides.