This passed Weekend most of the Leaders
of the World got together around here to talk.
A lot of Protests in the streets also happened
mostly innocent people just walking the streets
were picked up.(without reason)
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From what I saw, on TV, it was total mayhem. Quite frankly, while I agree with the protesters, I fail to see what they are trying to accomplish by smashing out store windows, burning police cars, etc. A peaceful protest would have been more meaningful. As it is, they have simply portrayed themselves as a bunch of criminals. Nobody is going to pay any attention to their opinion . . no matter how noble it might be. A sad situation. :-(
In this day and age why not Skype or video. So some of us walking down
a street of Toronto don't have to worry.
Here in Canada we try and protest but sometimes the Riot Police(RCMP,OPP)
make it kind of hard, like what happened in Toronto this passed weekend.
But I'm more upset that our Prime Minister Stephen Harper doesn't
seem to care that over 900 hundred of us Canadians were held without
fresh water or hot food for over 22 hours.
It all happened in the biggest City in Canada.
Everyone entering the area cordoned off by the police knew what they might be getting into by being there. Outside of people that live in that small area, no one else NEEDED to be there. The protesters were welcome to come and make their opinions heard PEACEFULLY, but after what happened on Saturday I don't blame the police one bit for their actions on Sunday. There was no more vandalism or overt violence. Generally anyone claiming police brutality from the videos I've seen so far, were initially resisting arrest to begin with - in my books doing that warrants enough force from the police to get you into custody. Don't fight them and you're not going to get hurt.
Doesn't really matter what the police tried to do this past weekend they can't win. They get **** on from every direction regardless (used too little force, used too much, didn't stop the riot or stepped on people's "civil liberties"), I'm surprised any of them were willing to show up for work in the first place.
So, guess you don't have a problem with people being
picked off the Streets of Canada?
Well I do.
at the risk of sounding harsh, but would you have given a flying **** if it had been........ I dunno.. say..... Greeks?
you're biased.
like Xray said, a peaceful protest would've been better. who the hell is gonna listen to them now ;)
But on Sunday afternoon a lot of people who were just walking in
the area of Downtown Toronto were just stopped and made to stay
still put in a corner with a few hundred other people.
Until all the G8/G20 Leaders left Canada.
Also I'm not biased, just a hard working taxpaying Canadian.
Yes but the police had been informed by those arrested from the vandals the day before that something was going to be started on Sunday from within that group. They separated those most likely to be innocent from those that were suspicious and arrests were made, the others we let go once everyone that was arrested had been taken away. I suppose it would have been much better for the police to allow the peaceful protest to turn violent before reacting right?
I'm also a hard working taxpaying Canadian. My question is, knowing weeks in advance that there was going to be all this protesting going on who in their right mind decides to cross the barriers and just take a peaceful walk downtown amid protesters when there is every possibility of what happened the day before happening again (eg. broken windows and cars on fire). Clearly these people want to be where the action is. I don't believe for a minute that these 100 or so people all happen to live in the area and were just running out to the corner store and got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. If they were willing to take the risk going down there then they shouldn't be complaining if they were stopped, asked questions in a heightened security area and held for a while to ensure the safety of the rest of the city as well as themselves.
It's not as though the police were stopping random people all over the GTA and Toronto and arresting them if they didn't like what they saw. This only happened in the area that was sectioned off with security fence from the rest of the city. If you crossed into that area, you were risking having something like that happen to you and I sincerely doubt these people had no knowledge of that risk before they entered the area. That would be like walking into a park that has a sign out front stating the benches have been painted, sitting on a bench and then getting mad at the city because you got paint all over yourself. It all comes down to personal responsibility.
Well yes, that is exactly what happened RCMP, OPP. did stop people at random.
They were embarrassed by what took place the day before.
Police cars burning, Tim Hortons windows smashed etc...
yes you are biased.
and I agree with this
Any group of people that run around making noise and generally try to disturb the peaceful summits should be arrested, should be hearded into corners and made to realise they are not entitled to free speech and opinion.
Certainly not when that may contradict the leaders....no way should they be undermined or be brought to account for any tha own wrongdoings!
Those in charge speak and we below them should coward and do exactly what they say.
Unfortunately a small group of people were not there to protest peacefully - they were there to cause trouble, violence and vandalism - and these people ruined it for every protester there for peaceful demonstration. The police were not trying to stop peaceful protest, they were trying to keep everyone safe. The Black Bloc's tactics involve donning black clothes and masks to hide their identity while committing crimes and then removing these and blending back into the peaceful protesters, because of this everyone becomes a suspect until proven otherwise. It's an unfortunate truth, but a truth nonetheless. How else are the police to make sure that everyone is safe? It's not like these violent protesters are wearing signs to identify themselves, without stopping everyone and doing their due diligence there would be no way for the police to do their jobs.
We don't live in a perfect world, why do we expect those who risk their lives for us everyday to be perfect?
Crush them all eh? Power trippers everywhere hahahaha
Is there no end to ignorance? It goes without saying that we are never going to always agree with what the national and world leaders say. However, there are civil ways of expressing your disagreement. What kind of message is being sent when hooligans start smashing windows and burning police cars? It says that these people are not capable of controling themselves and that they need to be kept under control and held accountable for their actions. Civil disobedience and disregard for other people, and their property, is not the answer to anything.
For some, the mayhem that we witnessed in Toronto, was not an expression of disagreement as much as it was a primal urge to destroy something . . anything. Very dispicable actions that needed to be addressed, just as they were. And then, when they get out of jail, . . then we might be willing to hear what they have to say. But, they sure have a lot of explaining to do, before that day comes.
This all brings to mind a term that I used to hear frequently in 'Over 50" chat rooms when some smart alecky kid would come in to disrupt an otherwise peaceful conversation. And that term was SNERT. SNERT = Snotty Nosed, Egotistical, Retarded Teenagers. Some people just need to grow up.
Yes I'm the one who is biased because I think it is wrong that people
are grabbed off of the street by Jack Booted Thugs (RCMP, OPP)
With all due respect and sincerest apologies, theotherlondon, if you think that my comment was directed at you.
However, I fail to see the logic in calling the RCMP and OPP, "Jack Booted Thugs". They were sent there to preserve law and order and to protect the people and the property of all citizens. And, that is what they did. For many of them, it meant putting their lives on the line. When an unruly mob started smashing windows, burning cars and throwing heavy objects at others, what were they to do? It was the law breakers, the rioters, who were jack booted thugs. The police didn't start it, the rioters did.
You may think that I am opposed to the protest, but I am not. In fact, I would have thought that it was perfectly acceptable for protesters to link themselves together and disrupt traffic, or whatever. Just as the blacks did, here is the US, in the deep south. I am all for peaceful protest, but, when they smash windows, loot stores and burn cars, they were way out of bounds. Just my 2ยข.
As as Canadian and a Torontonian this was probably the most embarrassing thing I've ever witnessed.
No one just happened to be walking downtown and got caught up in the crowd! C'mon... everyone knew full well what was happening along the downtown core and still you had camera happy people, thugs, Black Bloc and idiots still converge there.
I don't feel sorry for anyone who was picked up and detained in the rain or in the holding centers that some idiots have likened to Guantanamo Bay.
Serves each and every one of them right.
i even told my Mom if she were there and got picked up 'Too Bad So Sad'
I'll never understand why our brilliant (sarcasm) PM decided to hold such a weekend in one of the most populated places in Canada. Serves his party right too, now he has to deal with the backlash.
I've personally thanked 3 Police Officers I've seen since the summits.
*and now I'll step off my soapbox ;)*
[QUOTE=Xray48;961247]With all due respect and sincerest apologies, theotherlondon, if you think that my comment was directed at you.
However, I fail to see the logic in calling the RCMP and OPP, "Jack Booted Thugs". They were sent there to preserve law and order and to protect the people and the property of all citizens. And, that is what they did. For many of them, it meant putting their lives on the line. When an unruly mob started smashing windows, burning cars and throwing heavy objects at others, what were they to do? It was the law breakers, the rioters, who were jack booted thugs. The police didn't start it, the rioters did.
[B]You may think that I am opposed to the protest, but I am not. In fact, I would have thought that it was perfectly acceptable for protesters to link themselves together and disrupt traffic, or whatever. Just as the blacks did, here is the US, in the deep south. I am all for peaceful protest, but, when they smash windows, loot stores and burn cars, they were way out of bounds. [/B]Just my 2ยข.[/QUOTE]
And you think anyone would stand up and take notice if a few people linked arms across a busy road? people would be more likely to notice if it hits the news for the wrong reasons....as for the jack booted thugs well if you turn up somewhere in riot gear etc then you can be sure of one thing....provoking the hooligan element, so who's to blame?
It's about crowd control not provocation........(Moderator Edited)
It's about crowd control not provocation...LOL now that is a good one.
I'm guessing you didn't see what happened on the news.
For everyone who thinks the police were wrong in their behaviour, please tell me - How exactly would you have handled the situation to ensure law and order and the protection of the city and all people there? If there's such a better way to do it then please, enlighten me!
Would it have been better to continue allowing cars to be set on fire and windows to be broken. Maybe the cops should have just let the city burn to the ground right? Forget personal accountability, lets all just blame the police!
my whole post wasn't therer so it doesn't read the same way, i'm just sayin the riot gear ETC isn't the best way to control a crowd, it panics people and that is where they begin to act irresponsibly-I always refue to rule out that therer would have been undercover people placed there in order to incite things a little......just so that they have a reasion to be so heavy handed.
People only act like caged animals when they are pushed into a corner
This I agree with: People only act like caged animals when they
are pushed into a corner.
Only one person to blame Prime Minister Stephen Harper
(Big time RightWing jerk)
Slowly it is now going into place,The innocent people of Toronto who
were arrested will soon have there day in Court.(almost all Nine hundred
of them)
I hear the Toronto Police Chief (William Blair) is almost ready to step
down.
A good start. Hope what comes next is the RCMP and OPP heads will
be charged.
What happened to innocent people walking downtown Toronto that
Weekend is so awful.
Someone had to arrest them lunatics..... LOL
i read the news somewhere that it wasnt the G8/G20 that they were protesting but that Canada didnt have John Lennons Birthday as a National Holiday. Now that would be something to protest about for sure.
Or his sons Birthday.....
Was J.L. a Comunist ????
I'll have to google that....
Yes he was, he is in the Comunist Manifesto.
Thank you Google !!
"I'm a Christian Comunist"
Nope sorry, here in Canada we celebrate the birthday of
Vladimir Lenin(A great Russian Marxist) and yes the last
names do sound the same.
Also we celebrate the birthdays of Karl Marx and his brother
Groucho.
Jagmohan Pla
About the protest in Toronto think about it this way:
if we the Canadian taxpayer are upset with what is happening
we have the right to turn over those Police Cars and set them
on fire.
After all we(meaning me) paid for them.
So, wait... You're telling me that setting police cars is your right because you paid for them... What if other taxpayers DO NOT want them flipped and burned? What happens when private property is also burned from the car fire? Can you be sued for destroying something you DIDN'T pay for?
I paid for 1/10000th of that car, so I'm going to put a .025mm scratch in the side panel just because IT IS MINE AND I CAN DO WHAT I WANT WITH STUFF THAT IS MINE MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yes that is how it works in a Socialist Country like Canada.
That's really interesting. Care to back that up with some actual proof?
How about you go find a Mountie, punch his horse in the face, and explain to him that you're exercising your rights to do what you want with property purchased with your tax dollars. Remind him that he works for you since your taxes also pay his salary. Please record this with a digital video camera and place the resulting footage on YouTube. This is your right, you must exercise it.
Never mind, I found it myself.
You mean a Socialist STATE then..... My Tribe got the hell out of canuck land long ago.... Now we actually OWN our own buisnesses, Govern Ourselves, and i know for a fact that if i overturned a Tribal Police Car, I'd end-up paying for it. The People own it, so we take care of it....
So if the select few that ruined it for the rest up there in canada got away with it, then i guess i'll never understand where you come from, where you take things, or how to 'listen' to what u have to say.
As a big leftwing Socalist I'm a big Leon Trotsky
fan.
So love reading his work.
[IMG]http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm232/mintkiller/facepalm.jpg[/IMG]
LOL..
ps. Lenin doesn't sound the same as Lennon. wtf mayn.
I live in the UK and we have to pay council Tax which a percentage helps fund our law enforcements salaries and also pays for our garbage to be collected so if i was to follow otherlondon's example i could go total a police car or demand my garbage to picked up in my time, time you woke up TOL It does not work like that in the real world its like me flagging down a cop car because i can't get a cab and tell them you must take me home because i pay your salary and i own your car uh uh is does not work like that
John Lennon said things that ARE considered to be Comunist, maybe that's why the "love" for his Peacefulness..... I just canna get the link in LOL
www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_MTnySkrZk_
[b]The Bolsheveatles[/b]
RingMao 'Red' Starr plays drums and sings sometimes.
Paul Marxcartney plays bass and sings.
George Stalinson plays guitars and sings.
John Lenin plays guitar and sings. Sometimes he plays the fool.
:nekkid::mebeer::hijacked::abigtoe:
wraith, u ok ?:P
He lost his tinfoil hat and the aliens are attempting to take over his body again.
Yep !!! I just posted that in the wrong thread.... LOL Sorry 'bout that !!
I knew there was something different about him :P
oo ok
LOL LOL
dont bother Wraith,,,he cant concentrate while having his big toe sucked